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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by spyral</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50% is still 50%, that&#039;s the practicality of percentages. 50% protein in a kibble is going to remain 50% in one cup or three. Your pet may eat one cup, or three, but either way they get the same &quot;dose&quot; of protein compared to the other nutrients. Generally, pets eat more of a food low in proteins and fats because chemical receptors their stomachs are telling their brains they aren&#039;t getting enough food due to the processed fillers. That&#039;s part of the reason to pay attention to percentages, so your pet doesn&#039;t gorge or eat too little to get complete nutrition.  

I agree that ferrets are obligate carnivores (less than 7% of vegetable matter found in stomach contents), but I also don&#039;t think you can just remove grain from a cat food and call it a healthier option for a ferret. There are no studies either way, so any commercial food can make claims that they are the better alternative as long as they have the marketing savvy and play up to people&#039;s emotions and desires. Who&#039;s testing them? Who&#039;s doing scientific studies instead of relying on palatability tests or anecdotal evidence? It doesn&#039;t tell us what is actually best, what helps ferrets live longer, etc. Especially when factory farms are breeding ferrets prone to tumors and other health issues to complicate longevity trends.

Carnivores eat the entire carcass, including vegetable-based stomach contents.  I don&#039;t think that adding corn to meat products makes it a balanced meal, either, but I think it could be an acceptable practice to feed some grains to give fiber to the digestive system. This can be done with sweet potatoes, potatoes and other vegetables, but for what reason? I think ferrets in the wild are just as unlikely to eat a sweet potato as a grain. This doesn&#039;t apply to those animals that may have a sensitivity to grain, in which case you should look for alternative sources of carbs. A wide variety of food sources should be utilized if they are safe and nutritious for your ferret, cat, dog, reptile or rodent. :)

I am absolutely not a nutritionist, and I am not against grain-free, so I hope everyone takes this and applies their own experience to it.  My main concern is to educate owners on feeding what they think is right for their pet. If their pet can&#039;t eat grain, they should use a grain-free option. If they are concerned about costs, I&#039;d rather steer them toward a high-quality, lower cost food than one that may make them &quot;feel&quot; better but not provide any better nutrition to their pet.  Or worse, have them go with something low-quality just because it&#039;s cheaper and they don&#039;t realize how to find the more nutritious options. 

I don&#039;t feel there is a &quot;best&quot; food, but there are bad foods. Even the leading brands, like Evo, can cause digestive upset in some individuals. People should feed according to the condition of their ferret, and switch brands if they aren&#039;t seeing the results they would like. Just replacing grains with potatoes and  throwing in some blueberries isn&#039;t going to make it substantially more healthy. Hopefully, more research will be done as to what does make the BEST diet for ferrets, and it may in fact be grain-free or raw. But more scientific studies are needed, otherwise too much is left up to interpretation.

Here are some well-written and descriptive discussions of ferret food written before &quot;grain-free&quot; became a buzzword. The first advocates raw, whole-food diet and the second a high-quality meat-based commercial food with at least 38% protein and 20% fat. Again, low grain is good, but what is gained by substituting other vegetables? We just don&#039;t know - yet.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&amp;A=479&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&amp;A=479&lt;/a&gt; was 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weaselwords.com/ferret-articles/new-ideas-in-feeding-ferrets/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.weaselwords.com/ferret-articles/new-ideas-in-feeding-ferrets/&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50% is still 50%, that&#8217;s the practicality of percentages. 50% protein in a kibble is going to remain 50% in one cup or three. Your pet may eat one cup, or three, but either way they get the same &#8220;dose&#8221; of protein compared to the other nutrients. Generally, pets eat more of a food low in proteins and fats because chemical receptors their stomachs are telling their brains they aren&#8217;t getting enough food due to the processed fillers. That&#8217;s part of the reason to pay attention to percentages, so your pet doesn&#8217;t gorge or eat too little to get complete nutrition.  </p>
<p>I agree that ferrets are obligate carnivores (less than 7% of vegetable matter found in stomach contents), but I also don&#8217;t think you can just remove grain from a cat food and call it a healthier option for a ferret. There are no studies either way, so any commercial food can make claims that they are the better alternative as long as they have the marketing savvy and play up to people&#8217;s emotions and desires. Who&#8217;s testing them? Who&#8217;s doing scientific studies instead of relying on palatability tests or anecdotal evidence? It doesn&#8217;t tell us what is actually best, what helps ferrets live longer, etc. Especially when factory farms are breeding ferrets prone to tumors and other health issues to complicate longevity trends.</p>
<p>Carnivores eat the entire carcass, including vegetable-based stomach contents.  I don&#8217;t think that adding corn to meat products makes it a balanced meal, either, but I think it could be an acceptable practice to feed some grains to give fiber to the digestive system. This can be done with sweet potatoes, potatoes and other vegetables, but for what reason? I think ferrets in the wild are just as unlikely to eat a sweet potato as a grain. This doesn&#8217;t apply to those animals that may have a sensitivity to grain, in which case you should look for alternative sources of carbs. A wide variety of food sources should be utilized if they are safe and nutritious for your ferret, cat, dog, reptile or rodent. <img src='http://www.destinyink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am absolutely not a nutritionist, and I am not against grain-free, so I hope everyone takes this and applies their own experience to it.  My main concern is to educate owners on feeding what they think is right for their pet. If their pet can&#8217;t eat grain, they should use a grain-free option. If they are concerned about costs, I&#8217;d rather steer them toward a high-quality, lower cost food than one that may make them &#8220;feel&#8221; better but not provide any better nutrition to their pet.  Or worse, have them go with something low-quality just because it&#8217;s cheaper and they don&#8217;t realize how to find the more nutritious options. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel there is a &#8220;best&#8221; food, but there are bad foods. Even the leading brands, like Evo, can cause digestive upset in some individuals. People should feed according to the condition of their ferret, and switch brands if they aren&#8217;t seeing the results they would like. Just replacing grains with potatoes and  throwing in some blueberries isn&#8217;t going to make it substantially more healthy. Hopefully, more research will be done as to what does make the BEST diet for ferrets, and it may in fact be grain-free or raw. But more scientific studies are needed, otherwise too much is left up to interpretation.</p>
<p>Here are some well-written and descriptive discussions of ferret food written before &#8220;grain-free&#8221; became a buzzword. The first advocates raw, whole-food diet and the second a high-quality meat-based commercial food with at least 38% protein and 20% fat. Again, low grain is good, but what is gained by substituting other vegetables? We just don&#8217;t know &#8211; yet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&#038;A=479" rel="nofollow">http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&#038;A=479</a> was </p>
<p><a href="http://www.weaselwords.com/ferret-articles/new-ideas-in-feeding-ferrets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.weaselwords.com/ferret-articles/new-ideas-in-feeding-ferrets/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by M518</title>
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		<dc:creator>M518</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mixing kibble is not a necessity, but many ferrets are often picky about diet changes. I believe this is why people suggest if you are going to go the kibble route, you should keep at least two variations. 

I have to disagree with you spyral - ferrets are obligate carnivores. Grain free or as close to it as possible is MUCH healthier for the animal, than anything else. EVO ferret food is one of the best out there, followed by Grain-Free Zupreem in my personal opinion. If my guys would eat raw or at least cooked meats, they would be eating it. There are so many less issues with a grain -free kibble. You are concerned with the protein percentage, but you also must take into consider what the percentage is of - is it 50% of a cup? 50% of 3 cups?? There&#039;s a big difference there. I&#039;m not saying it is the best for EVERY ferret out there, but I think it definitely is a much healthier option for most. I can see where raw diets (or even live prey) or cooked meat can get tricky with making sure you&#039;re balancing all nutritional requirements - this is where grain-free kibble comes in as a much easier choice for many people. 

AND YES!!!!! Marshalls is STILL a factory farm for ferrets. Horrible conditions, treatment, and they keep breeding diseases into their ferrets! Stay away from Marshalls ferrets and other big companies like that. Do your research and get a ferret from a breeder that can guarantee the parents do not possess the common diseases ferrets are so prone too, thank you very much Marshalls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mixing kibble is not a necessity, but many ferrets are often picky about diet changes. I believe this is why people suggest if you are going to go the kibble route, you should keep at least two variations. </p>
<p>I have to disagree with you spyral &#8211; ferrets are obligate carnivores. Grain free or as close to it as possible is MUCH healthier for the animal, than anything else. EVO ferret food is one of the best out there, followed by Grain-Free Zupreem in my personal opinion. If my guys would eat raw or at least cooked meats, they would be eating it. There are so many less issues with a grain -free kibble. You are concerned with the protein percentage, but you also must take into consider what the percentage is of &#8211; is it 50% of a cup? 50% of 3 cups?? There&#8217;s a big difference there. I&#8217;m not saying it is the best for EVERY ferret out there, but I think it definitely is a much healthier option for most. I can see where raw diets (or even live prey) or cooked meat can get tricky with making sure you&#8217;re balancing all nutritional requirements &#8211; this is where grain-free kibble comes in as a much easier choice for many people. </p>
<p>AND YES!!!!! Marshalls is STILL a factory farm for ferrets. Horrible conditions, treatment, and they keep breeding diseases into their ferrets! Stay away from Marshalls ferrets and other big companies like that. Do your research and get a ferret from a breeder that can guarantee the parents do not possess the common diseases ferrets are so prone too, thank you very much Marshalls!</p>
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		<dc:creator>IB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awwwwwww man you killed my hopes! I was watching the Little Girls video and I swore it was Tyrion! Oh well, thanks for setting me straight. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awwwwwww man you killed my hopes! I was watching the Little Girls video and I swore it was Tyrion! Oh well, thanks for setting me straight. <img src='http://www.destinyink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by spyral</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would probably select ZuPreem Premium out of the three choices. Grain Free seems unnecessary unless your ferret has a grain allergy. Marshall brand has a bad connotation with the &quot;ferret mills&quot; but I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s still an issue. The diet seems adequate. ZuPreem has a higher protein and fat content, Marshall&#039;s is a little low but just barely. Also, the molasses probably isn&#039;t needed, and if you prefer natural preservatives (mixed tocopherols) then go with ZuPreem. Marshall&#039;s uses BHA, but it&#039;s a personal choice, it won&#039;t kill your ferret. ZuPreem Premium is also a bit cheaper than Marshall or ZuPreem Grain free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would probably select ZuPreem Premium out of the three choices. Grain Free seems unnecessary unless your ferret has a grain allergy. Marshall brand has a bad connotation with the &#8220;ferret mills&#8221; but I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s still an issue. The diet seems adequate. ZuPreem has a higher protein and fat content, Marshall&#8217;s is a little low but just barely. Also, the molasses probably isn&#8217;t needed, and if you prefer natural preservatives (mixed tocopherols) then go with ZuPreem. Marshall&#8217;s uses BHA, but it&#8217;s a personal choice, it won&#8217;t kill your ferret. ZuPreem Premium is also a bit cheaper than Marshall or ZuPreem Grain free.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by Erich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very helpful, thankyou. what is better the ZuPreem Grain Free Ferret Diet, ZuPreem Premium Ferret Diet, or Marshall Select Chicken Formula Premium Ferret Diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very helpful, thankyou. what is better the ZuPreem Grain Free Ferret Diet, ZuPreem Premium Ferret Diet, or Marshall Select Chicken Formula Premium Ferret Diet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by spyral</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amber -

Originally, the idea behind mixing was to cut down on costs and possibly add nutrients that may be lacking. I now think that it&#039;s not a good idea, as each commercial cat/kitten food is formulated to be complete as fed, and mixing them can skew the nutritional balance. If that is something that has been working for you, I think it&#039;s fine, but I think a good approach is to rotate between brands (if you feel the need to do so) over a 3-6 month period. 

ZuPreem original (no corn) seems pretty good, while the grain-free formula is an option, I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s really necessary. There is a balance needed between the protein and fat, and the original fits into the &quot;38% protein/19% fat&quot; equation for ferrets. I think the grain-free craze can be taken to an extreme. It all really boils down to the guaranteed analysis, cost to the owner, and ultimately the health of the animal. 

Evo seems great, but it is rather high in protein (50%) so I am not sure if this is suitable long-term or for older ferrets. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=cat&amp;pid=22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wellness Kitten Health&lt;/a&gt; seems to be a very reasonable brand to feed. I&#039;m afraid all pet food manufacturers rely somewhat on &quot;gimics&quot; like adding bits of fruits and veggies that really don&#039;t do much for pets. Don&#039;t worry, they do add appropriate vitamins and minerals in a form that carnivores can digest. 

Unfortunately, I&#039;m a bit out of date on ferret nutritional requirements, so I&#039;m not sure if any commercial food has a necessary component that others don&#039;t. You could always use the ol&#039; FerreTone supplement as a treat to make sure you&#039;re getting a good blend of fatty acids. 

Good luck! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amber -</p>
<p>Originally, the idea behind mixing was to cut down on costs and possibly add nutrients that may be lacking. I now think that it&#8217;s not a good idea, as each commercial cat/kitten food is formulated to be complete as fed, and mixing them can skew the nutritional balance. If that is something that has been working for you, I think it&#8217;s fine, but I think a good approach is to rotate between brands (if you feel the need to do so) over a 3-6 month period. </p>
<p>ZuPreem original (no corn) seems pretty good, while the grain-free formula is an option, I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s really necessary. There is a balance needed between the protein and fat, and the original fits into the &#8220;38% protein/19% fat&#8221; equation for ferrets. I think the grain-free craze can be taken to an extreme. It all really boils down to the guaranteed analysis, cost to the owner, and ultimately the health of the animal. </p>
<p>Evo seems great, but it is rather high in protein (50%) so I am not sure if this is suitable long-term or for older ferrets. <a href="http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=cat&amp;pid=22" rel="nofollow">Wellness Kitten Health</a> seems to be a very reasonable brand to feed. I&#8217;m afraid all pet food manufacturers rely somewhat on &#8220;gimics&#8221; like adding bits of fruits and veggies that really don&#8217;t do much for pets. Don&#8217;t worry, they do add appropriate vitamins and minerals in a form that carnivores can digest. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I&#8217;m a bit out of date on ferret nutritional requirements, so I&#8217;m not sure if any commercial food has a necessary component that others don&#8217;t. You could always use the ol&#8217; FerreTone supplement as a treat to make sure you&#8217;re getting a good blend of fatty acids. </p>
<p>Good luck! <img src='http://www.destinyink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Ferret Nutrition Chart by Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feed evo ferret mixed with zupreem grain free ferret. Evo is the best ive found and the latter the second best. I only feed zupreem because its recommended to feed 2 kinds. I am now looking into evo cat/kitten turkey and chicken because it appears to be the same as their ferret and cheaper.  Although i havent completed my entire comparison of the two.  What are your thoughts on this? Also i know they dont extract the vits and mins from vegetables and fruits but innova puts those in the food. Do you think that the ferrets are not getting the vits and mins from these sources then? Thanks for your time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feed evo ferret mixed with zupreem grain free ferret. Evo is the best ive found and the latter the second best. I only feed zupreem because its recommended to feed 2 kinds. I am now looking into evo cat/kitten turkey and chicken because it appears to be the same as their ferret and cheaper.  Although i havent completed my entire comparison of the two.  What are your thoughts on this? Also i know they dont extract the vits and mins from vegetables and fruits but innova puts those in the food. Do you think that the ferrets are not getting the vits and mins from these sources then? Thanks for your time!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Society Finches &#124; Finches Breeding &#124; Everything You Need To Know To Successfully Breed Finches.</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>spyral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, most of the members of the Brotherhood show up in Storm of Swords. But Thoros was actually in the first book; he fought with Beric at the Hand&#039;s Tourney. Then went with him to capture Clegane, which we didn&#039;t see in the show.

They are shortening other parts of the storyline (mostly around Jaime&#039;s character) so even if it&#039;s wishful thinking, there should be Brotherhood in GoT Season 2!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, most of the members of the Brotherhood show up in Storm of Swords. But Thoros was actually in the first book; he fought with Beric at the Hand&#8217;s Tourney. Then went with him to capture Clegane, which we didn&#8217;t see in the show.</p>
<p>They are shortening other parts of the storyline (mostly around Jaime&#8217;s character) so even if it&#8217;s wishful thinking, there should be Brotherhood in GoT Season 2!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, Congratulations on your well deserved Emmy!  Tyrion is my favorite character and you have illuminated all the sad, clever, kind, and sometimes cruel parts of the role!
Could&#039;t wait for next season and read all 5 books since the first season ended!  That will have to do until next season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, Congratulations on your well deserved Emmy!  Tyrion is my favorite character and you have illuminated all the sad, clever, kind, and sometimes cruel parts of the role!<br />
Could&#8217;t wait for next season and read all 5 books since the first season ended!  That will have to do until next season!</p>
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